Robbing Peter to pay Paul, so to speak

Which men's sport should temporarily lose money to increase football funding?

  • Any of them

    Votes: 64 38.1%

  • Cross country

    Votes: 19 11.3%

  • Golf

    Votes: 3 1.8%

  • Tennis

    Votes: 5 3.0%

  • Swimming/diving

    Votes: 13 7.7%

  • Indoor track & field

    Votes: 7 4.2%

  • Outdoor track & field

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Baseball

    Votes: 10 6.0%

  • None of them

    Votes: 46 27.4%
  • Total voters
    168
So I want to know facts. When has GT tried to add academic programs and been shut down by the BOR.

Is it just supposed to be a given that we wouldn't even try?

This just seems like bigcry victim mentality unless there's more substance to it.
 
PJ reportedly did not want a raise in 2014, only wanted raises for assistants. His agent only went after a raise after MBob unnecessarily delayed contract renegotiation.
 
Yukonwreck said:
How about we ask Paul to donate some of his $476,000 per win salary to augment assistants' pay.
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Yep, right there.
 
GT flunkout said:
So I want to know facts. When has GT tried to add academic programs and been shut down by the BOR.

Is it just supposed to be a given that we wouldn't even try?

This just seems like bigcry victim mentality unless there's more substance to it.
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You won't find many votes that have failed, because the president circulates the idea with the BOR before launching and and only goes public if he knows he has the votes.

A few years back, Bud pushed for a Communications Program focused on Digital Communications or Digital Marketing. The purpose would be to train students in how to use social media to generate consumer insights around products/services and how to use these platforms to target consumers. Most of the classes for the major exist in Psychology (quantitative psychology) and Business (marketing). To make it a Tech degree, you could throw in some basic applied web programming requirements. The program is highly relevant for businesses now and in the future, and the consulting fees GT could bring in would more than pay for the degree. Ultimately this idea was circulated and denied by the BOR. The idea that GT could market to athletes "come here and major in Twitter" was apparently a concern.

Other examples: Tech was denied offering an MBA degree for multiple decades by UGA supporters on the BOR. Tech offered the MSM instead of the MBA until, I think, around 2005. I'm having trouble remembering, but I believe Tech's MBA was approved because of a deal that gave UGA something they wanted (maybe the satellite campus of the medical school in Athens?) There have been rumblings for a decade about a Medical School at GT, but that isn't even discussed because of UGA's push for a medical school for twice as long. GT also looked at a law school at one point.
 
gtphd said:
You won't find many votes that have failed, because the president circulates the idea with the BOR before launching and and only goes public if he knows he has the votes.

A few years back, Bud pushed for a Communications Program focused on Digital Communications or Digital Marketing. The purpose would be to train students in how to use social media to generate consumer insights around products/services and how to use these platforms to target consumers. Most of the classes for the major exist in Psychology (quantitative psychology) and Business (marketing). To make it a Tech degree, you could throw in some basic applied web programming requirements. The program is highly relevant for businesses now and in the future, and the consulting fees GT could bring in would more than pay for the degree. Ultimately this idea was circulated and denied by the BOR. The idea that GT could market to athletes "come here and major in Twitter" was apparently a concern.

Other examples: Tech was denied offering an MBA degree for multiple decades by UGA supporters on the BOR. Tech offered the MSM instead of the MBA until, I think, around 2005. I'm having trouble remembering, but I believe Tech's MBA was approved because of a deal that gave UGA something they wanted (maybe the satellite campus of the medical school in Athens?) There have been rumblings for a decade about a Medical School at GT, but that isn't even discussed because of UGA's push for a medical school for twice as long. GT also looked at a law school at one point.
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So basically all rumblings and rumors.

"Floated the idea and BOR shoots down to hurt GT athletics and protect UGA football!"

Not buying it. Give me something with Bud on the record. Or even Clough. If there's nothing and you're still convinced of this sob story our problem is more with spineless presidents then being butthurt over the BOR.
 
I would say what we need is to not be paying 2(?) coaches to not coach. That’s a great way to get money back. Like making payments on a car you sold to get the down payment for the new one only it did not cover the difference. Feels really good when you don’t have to pay $300-$500 a month for a car you cannot drive.
 
ramblnwrek said:
I would say what we need is to not be paying 2(?) coaches to not coach. That’s a great way to get money back. Like making payments on a car you sold to get the down payment for the new one only it did not cover the difference. Feels really good when you don’t have to pay $300-$500 a month for a car you cannot drive.
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That's what happens when, instead of firing their non-producing ass when they stop performing, you give them a contract extension hoping they will maybe improve.
 
GT flunkout said:
Not buying it. Give me something with Bud on the record. Or even Clough. If there's nothing and you're still convinced of this sob story our problem is more with spineless presidents then being butthurt over the BOR.
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Choose to believe what you want, but the MBA situation I. The 90s is very well known at Tech. Also, this isn’t a Tech exclusive issue. UGA has screamed for s medical school for decades.
 
gtphd said:
Choose to believe what you want, but the MBA situation I. The 90s is very well known at Tech. Also, this isn’t a Tech exclusive issue. UGA has screamed for s medical school for decades.
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Not disputing either of those situations. Neither of those has a damn thing to do with football, only with bolstering UGA under the argument that we shouldn't duplicate programs. An argument which the BOR has undermined with the addition of token engineering at UGA. The MBA boom came and is here to stay.

Of course UGA wants the medical school. The fact that that they've been screaming about one for decades and have only recently in the last 10 years finally made headway after the purchase of the Navy School, definitely undermines the attitude that they always get what they want. If you go to the public medical school in Georgia you still go to Augusta, not Athens. While them getting a medical school would definitely help the academic standing at UGA at the expense of duplicating what is already provided in Augusta, I'm not sure how this impacts Tech football unless you're connecting dots that don't exist.
 
GT flunkout said:
Not disputing either of those situations. Neither of those has a damn thing to do with football, only with bolstering UGA under the argument that we shouldn't duplicate programs. An argument which the BOR has undermined with the addition of token engineering at UGA. The MBA boom came and is here to stay.
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The token engineering program at UGA had two arguments, both flawed: (1) Rural Georgia needs more low cost engineers, and GT graduates demand higher salaries than rural Georgia can afford (which is why there are so many Alabama, Clemson, and Florida engineering graduates in the state), thus UGA Low Salary Engineering does not overlap GT High Salary Engineering*. (2) UGA Engineering will generate a profit for the state**.


The fact that that they've been screaming about one for decades and have only recently in the last 10 years finally made headway after the purchase of the Navy School, definitely undermines the attitude that they always get what they want. If you go to the public medical school in Georgia you still go to Augusta, not Athens.
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Actually, you can earn your MD in Athens. Athens and Augusta are the two locations where you can start (1st and 2nd year). You can go from there to Augusta, Athens, Savannah, or Rome to finish your education. UGA has been held back from a medical school by the idea that the all education spending in the State is at one end or the other of GA-316. I think that by 2025, though, they'll officially have one. Hell, for profit colleges are now offering MD degrees.

* Low Salary Engineers are not what the state needs - it needs a robust Engineering Technology program, which is how rural Texas manages its needs.
** The majority of UGA grants are state grants, which would have been won by another Georgia program, but the State agency felt compelled to award evenly across the state. They do not have the scale of quality (see *) for national awards.
 
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