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Old 11-28-2005, 08:19 PM   #11
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Default now you are getting it....

GT has to sign athletes that were going to college with or WITHOUT a scholarship.

Also do you understand that GT does not even allow visits from student/athletes UNTIL they are qualified.

If a student did not have it on the ball he could not even come and VISIT GT.

People may not like hearing it but GT can only recruit ~25% of the available recruits.
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:51 PM   #12
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Default Re: Our \"tougher\" entrance requirements

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based on my own research earlier in the year, the only team in the top ten (at that time) that required 4 maths was Georgia.

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So Georgia has similar entrance requirements as ours? How then are they able to sign kids that don't pick a school until the first Wednesday in February and we can't?
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:52 PM   #13
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Default Well, the biggest difference for GT is you have to

have coaches with really good eyes for talent.

I really think this staff has some guys with great 'eyes'. Only VT does more with less 'stars'. Our players really look talented out there. Only in the VT game did we look overmatched. Then add to that the guys who O'Leary recruited but Chan & company moved positions and you might see why I think this staff has the eye for talent necessary to succeed at GT.

One scary think in College recruiting is how important connections are. In some ways, this works for us however because good kids on bad teams (and a lot of good academic high schools have sorry teams) are less likely to have the connections it takes to get offered by everyone and noticed by Rivals.

One last note. From what I gather, GT has a summer camp that I am convinced is instrumental to our success in landing great sleepers. So when I find out a two or one star was offered early and attended camp, I am as confident in that player as I am one with 3-4 stars and tons of offers.

Usually, these players look identical to the 3-4 star guys in the databases WRT size, speed and stats.

Think about it. Chan sees a kid play and run drills, he compares him in his mind to all the succesful players he has coached when they did the same drills. And the ones we have now! Mix in some film, and how can many 'sleepers' can Chan miss on?

Wisely, Chan does not allow Rivals/Insiders to attend our camp. We as GT fans must refuse to care about recruiting rankings. Putting pressure on Chan to fix what ain't broke (recruiting) for no legitimate reason whatsoever (recruiting rankings) is suicide IMHO.
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:59 PM   #14
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Default The \'advanced math\' requirement is the key.

Imagine Les Bailey. He's a great athlete, but not too bright. He takes general math as a frosh and when it becomes clear he has Div 1 talent, he gets pressure to get through Algebra 1 and Geometry.

If UGA shows interest, do you think he won't work his way through Algebra 11 if Richt stresses the importance?

If GT shows interest, Chan would ask him to take Algebra 11 AND Trig/Precalc. Survey Says... XXX.
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Old 11-28-2005, 09:09 PM   #15
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Default Re: The \'advanced math\' requirement is the key.

If we are then forced to sign primarily second tier players in terms of their athletic reputations, players that likely weren't being heavily recruited early in their high school careers, how then can we show up late in the process and expect a kid to rev up his curriculum late in his high school days so that he can meet standards well above what the NCAA requires? I can see how you could get to a top flight player that shows up on the radar screen as a HS sophomore or junior, but a late bloomer or lower tier athlete, which you suggest we are recruiting, would never have the time you say they need to have....
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Old 11-28-2005, 09:52 PM   #16
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Default I guess I\'m not being clear.

There are many parents out there who put academics before athletics. Some of those parents have Div 1 caliber SAs. The staff has found a way to identify those who are Div 1 caliber. Some are well known and many are not. We hit on a few of the well known (Calvin, Grant, Peek and Scott) and a lot of the not well known (Vance Walker, Joe Anoai, Michael Johnson, Mike Cox etc)

It is obvious how good all these players are to anyone who takes the time to look, not just the ones like Scott and Grant who were heavily recruited early on. Chan did and apparently others did not. They are certainly not inferior in any way. Study the prep careers of our recruits. They are rarely 'late bloomers' and never would I describe them as lower tier athletes. In many cases they are standout basketball, baseball, wrestling or track stars.

We will never land many players who take General Math. They are unlikely to pass core classes at GT. We do not waste our time trying to make Leonard Pope into a GT man. Why should we when Vance Walkers and KaMichael Halls exist? It would be a waste of our recruiting resources to fight with UGA and FSU for him. But we fight for the David Greene and David Pollacks of the world and sometimes we lose.

All we are looking for is a few good men. They don't have to have Rival's eye. Just Chan's.
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Old 11-28-2005, 10:32 PM   #17
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Default Re: The \'advanced math\' requirement is the key.

Couple of things to remember. First, kids can't really catch up if they aren't planning on college early in their HS career. We can take some exceptions (not all the required maths for example) but they will have to make it up at Tech. Meaning they will have to take whatever remedial math is required first and then calculus. All that and keep on track towards their degree per NCAA rules.

There are kids out there who can play and do the work. That's obvious from the kids we have in school now. Not all 4 and 5 star kids are athletes only either, so there are Calvin Johnsons out there if we can real them in. But to your main point, no we can't recruit the kids that most of our competition can.

BTW, ugag only requires 4 maths, not the same 4 math course Tech does. They can use General Math as one of their 4.
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Old 11-28-2005, 10:44 PM   #18
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Default Re: Our \"tougher\" entrance requirements

I didn't say that UGA has similar requirements to ours. As has been said before, I believe the 4th math at UGA can be general math. The point I was trying to make is that 9 out of 10 schools only required 3 maths. Immediately we are at a distinct disadvantage. Next, the GPA and SAT score of our recruits must be significantly higher than those of UGA or most other schools before they are even considered. But just as important is what these kids are expected to do academically once they get into GT. The types of classes they can take at other schools like UGA to stay academically eligible don't even exist at GT. Talk about a 1,2 punch. It is important that you look at the entire picture and get into the head of a 17 year old whose only dream is to play in the NFL. They would never step foot on a college campus if it were not for football and the required 3 years after high school before they can play in the NFL. You and I know that those ideas are not realistic either, but imagine being told at the age of 17 that you are the greatest thing since sliced bread by great college coaches who put players in the NFL every year. These kids are often raised in a one parent household and that parent may or may not have even finished high school, much less attended one college class. I don't know how to make it any clearer. This is a subject that I am very sensitive to and I feel like some people have unreasonable expectations. I am also sensitive to it because I feel like the very recruits we are discussing are being treated like meat and their best interests are not being served.
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Old 11-28-2005, 11:03 PM   #19
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Default Re: All students, including football players must have

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How is that different than most required academia in Georgia high schools? Are you saying that the state-mandated high school graduation requirements are not good enough for Georgia Tech?

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Many HS in Ga. offer "non-academic" Diplomas called "Certificates of Attendance" in which a student can Graduate having had only basic math; once a SA is on this "Track", and then grows 4 inches and becomes a D-1A prospect, it is usually too late for them to gain the required academic skills to even ATTEMPT the higher level HS MATH; this is why so many of these SAs end up at UGAy or Aubun, or Tenn.

Many SAs are eliminated from considering GT by the time they enter the 9th or 10th grade!
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Old 11-28-2005, 11:11 PM   #20
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Wisely, Chan does not allow Rivals/Insiders to attend our camp. We as GT fans must refuse to care about recruiting rankings. Putting pressure on Chan to fix what ain't broke (recruiting) for no legitimate reason whatsoever (recruiting rankings) is suicide IMHO.

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You're flat out wrong here!

Our recruiting IS BROKEN!

If it weren't then we would have top flight ATHLETES THAT ARE BACKUPS TO MAN OUR SPECIAL TEAMS!

Our STs look very small, slow, and non-physical!

A way to tell when a program recruits well is the speed,size, and athleticism of the BACKUPS that man the special teams!
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